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Showing posts with label commas. Show all posts
Showing posts with label commas. Show all posts

Wednesday, July 20, 2011

To Serial Comma or Not to Serial Comma

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Editing Tip: This is a punctuation concept I sometimes have trouble explaining to my clients. I tell them one thing, then they see it used by a perfectly respectable publication some other way. I call it a style choice, but generally it’s not a choice when you publish books. Wondering what it is? It’s called the serial comma. The Chicago Tribune clarifies for us! http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-07-18/news/ct-perspec-0717-things-20110714_1_rudimentary-punctuation-semicolon-punctuation-marks  


----- Carolyn Howard-Johnson edits, consults. and speaks on issues of publishing. Find her The Frugal Editor: Put Your Best Book Forward to Avoid Humiliation and Ensure Success (How To Do It Frugally series of book for writers). Learn more about her other authors' aids at www.howtodoitfrugally.com/writers_books.htm , where writers will find lists and other helps including Great Little Last-Minute Editing Tips on the Resources for Writers page. She blogs on all things publishing (not just editing!) at her Sharing with Writers blog. She tweets writers' resources at www.twitter.com/frugalbookpromo . Please tweet this post to your followers. We all need a little help with editing. (-:

Saturday, April 10, 2010

Editor Joyce Gilmour Wants Serial Comma Reassurance

Serial Comma Question from Editor and Reviewer: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Question:

As long as we are talking editing, I have an editor's question for you. What is your stance on the "serial comma"? I've been doing research on it, and I want to hold on to the NEED for the comma which is being dropped all over the place. I'd love to hear your thoughts.

All the best,

Joyce M. Gilmour Editor & Book Reviewer

My answer:

Serial commas are a style choice. Newspapers are using them less and less--or rather they're eliminating the last comma that comes just before the "and." Academia and fine book publishers are still using them. I haven't looked, but I'd guess that the AP Style Book says to eliminate them and Chicago says to include them. Like many things, the rules aren't hard and fast. As an editor--mostly of books--I tend to use them in most things. If you decide to use them, do a search of the word "and" to be sure you've used them in every instance. Once we make a style choice, we should stick to it.

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Carolyn Howard-Johnson edits, consults and speaks on issues of publishing. Find her The Frugal Editor: Put Your Best Book Forward to Avoid Humiliation and Ensure Success at http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0978515870. Learn more about her other authors' aids at www.howtodoitfrugally.com, where writers will find lists and other helps on the Resources for Writers page. She blogs on all things publishing (not just editing!) at her Sharing with Writers blog.
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Friday, October 2, 2009

The Casual Comma


I'm going on vacation (to Mexico! Yay!) but wanted to drop by to share before I forget to mention it. And here is the earth-shattering news!

Many rules for the use of commas aren't rules at all. Newspapers, as an example, simplify. Meaning they eliminate commas you were probably told to use when you were in grammar school. Serial commas, some commas that come after an dependent clause, etc. I come from a journalism background and prefer this style choice.

Having said that (comma only because there really does tend to be a pause in the voice after "that"), I also write books and sometimes publish them myself. Books really do have different rules for style choices. The choices you make for your book should probably be much stricter, unless you have a good reason for being more casual. That, of course, includes your choices for commas. But it also includes things like spelling out numbers. And strict choices for punctuating dialogue. I'd go into them all here for you if I could. And maybe I'll get around to that. But in the meantime, please read books like Grammar Snobs Are Great Big Meanies, Mortal Syntax, and my The Frugal Editor (www.budurl.com/TheFrugalEditor). I wrote it because I wanted you to have the information before you submit your work whether it is a freelance piece to a newspaper to your manuscript to an agent.

Yeah, you probably already knew all of that. It doesn't hurt to review. So you can feel more comfortable when you choose to leave out a comma.

Oh! I often leave some out when a sentence is too laden with commas. You know, the less essential ones. We could make another choice, of course: Go back to simplify the sentence--that is make two or three simple sentences from one to avoid that many commas.
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Carolyn Howard-Johnson edits, consults and speaks on issues of publishing. Find her The Frugal Editor: Put Your Best Book Forward to Avoid Humiliation and Ensure Success at http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0978515870. Learn more about her other authors' aids at www.howtodoitfrugally.com, where writers will find lists and other helps on the Resources for Writers page. She blogs on all things publishing (not just editing!) at her Sharing with Writers blog.

Wednesday, May 6, 2009

Punctuating Close Quotes in Four Easy Lessons

My loyal Frugal Editor readers, I decided to break some of Boyd Sutton's great article on Close Quotes into a few easy doses. I believe that sometimes the mistake good grammar teachers make is forcing too much on students in one lesson, just because the text they use puts all that information into one chapter. So here is Boyd's "Punctuating Close Quotes Part I, "Closing Quotes with Periods and Commas." And thank you Boyd, for contributing to The Frugal, Smart and Tuned-In Editor once again!

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By Boyd Sutton, editor of WRWA Journal

A good friend who was working on publicity for the Wisconsin Regional Writer's Association's Spring Conference in Siren, WI, brought to my attention that we had somehow managed to post some badly punctuated prose on our Web site. It’s a bit embarrassing for a writers’ Web site to get the basics of punctuation so wrong. But such mistakes are common, even among experienced writers. I see them every time I process Club News and other submissions for the Journal. Accordingly, I thought it might be useful to give everyone a brief reminder on some of the basic rules of punctuation, especially "Punctuation Marks and Closing Quotations."

Close Quotes with Periods and Commas

American style (they do it differently in England) requires that periods and commas always (repeat, always—-no exceptions) be inserted before the closing quotation marks. This is so whether the quotation involves an entire sentence, a phrase, or a single word.

Wrong: He told me I was “too harsh”.
Right: He told me I was “too harsh.”

The most frequent error I see in submissions is when citing a publication by an author.

Wrong: Her article, “The Bloom is Off the Roses”, was recently published in What’s Playing magazine.

Right: Her article, “The Bloom is Off the Roses,” was recently published in What’s Playing magazine.

The same problem occurs when someone cites several publications.

Wrong: Gina had three poems published last month: “Silence”, “Laughter”, and “Joy”.

Right: Gina had three poems published last month: “Silence,” “Laughter,” and “Joy.”

Always, always, always put periods and commas before the closing quotation marks.
Tomorrow we'll cover Colons and Semicolons.

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Boyd Sutton is producer and editor of the Wisconsin Writers’ Journal, a quarterly publication of the Wisconsin Regional Writers Association . His articles, essays, and short stories have appeared in newspapers and magazines. He is a freelance editor and has won many writing awards, including the Jade Ring, Wisconsin’s most prestigious writing award, for his essay, “Owning Your Own Time—Managing Your Retirement.” He may be reached at journal@wrwa.net. This article first appeared in the 2008 winter edition of the Wisconsin Writers’ Journal.

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Carolyn Howard-Johnson edits, consults and speaks on issues of publishing. Find her The Frugal Editor: Put Your Best Book Forward to Avoid Humiliation and Ensure Success at http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0978515870. Learn more about her other authors' aids at www.howtodoitfrugally.com, where writers will find lists and other helps on the Resources for Writers page. She blogs on all things publishing (not just editing!) at her Sharing with Writers blog.